questions asked - where to from here?

 

From the ask the expert panel it is suggested to :

1. ask schools what they do to extend the top 10% of students and how they differentiate for them
2. ask if/how they identify their gifted students
3. ask what percentage of staff are trained in gifted education
4. ask to see their action plan for gifted students

Not sure if we are allowed to mention  school names so will avoid for now but here are the responses to these types of questions when asked at a Parent advisory group meeting of our Middle school principal last year and based on parents experiences at the school at both middle and senior levels.

1.The Academic Achievers classes (middle school only) are designed  to extend students but are for high achievers, not gifted kids. Gifted students who under perform can and are taken out of these classes, Thereby removing them from their peers and lowering academic expectations further.

2. The school cannot cater for gifted students as there aren't enough of them ( school population a few thousand and a P- 12! ) and it isn't worth their while, "there would only be 6 l" -from the middle school principal (note there were six of us present with gifted kids, in both middle and senior meetings, that night!)

3. I have been told by the schools deputy principal that the curriculum cannot be differentiated because it's set by EQ.

4. We have asked what qualifications  the gifted ed  support teacher has and we can't get a straight answer. We suspect that only her and the deputy have GEM training and none of the actual teaching staff have any quals in gifted ed. but no one is saying anything.

5. They seem to rely heavily on the NAPLAN to assess potential although students do have to sit an ACER test to get into these AA classes. The guidance officer at the school ( a psych too!) discounted my psych's report given that a. my childs school results  did not indiacate he was gifted ( in other words, if he was gifted he'd be performing) and b. the test was out of date.

6. When we asked about the schools policy for gifted ed the Middle school  principal said there was a district one only ( he wasn't even aware that the school was writing one at the time ). The policy has not been diseminated through to the school community as far as I'm aware.

In short they want high achievers not gifted kids. And certainly not gifted underachievers or those with other issues! They seem oblivious to the EQ Action Plan for Gifted and Talented Students 2008-2010.

What I want to know is

1. where can I find details on what the GEM training involves? I have searched the EQ site. How comprehensive is it?

2. Is it adequate for a college of a few thousand students to have  one or two GEM trained staff who are not in the classrooms? what would be the ideal training for teaching staff? the GERRIC COGE? HOw do we  help  the school understand that what they are doing is grossly inadequate and is failing some of  their (potentially)  best students

3. How do we find out what action the school is taking on the EQ ACtion Plan when no one wants to talk about this except the parents?

How do we help the school move forward on gifted ed?

frustrated parent. Irina

 

23 Mar23:01
By Pieper
Hi Irina, First of all, thanks for the discussion points. I will try to share some of my experiences. I would urge you to get copies of every useful piece of information that you can find that supports your position. GERRIC papers, books, EQ policy documents, anything. Go through them looking for likely quotes, you have now heard their arguments, these arguments are unlikely to change. Use lots of colourful highlights and sticky note markers. Not only be prepared but look prepared. Drag the principle into the meetings, make him see the senslessness of it all. One of the quotes that I like to use is the bit out of the EQ Framework for Gifted Education http://education.qld.gov.au/publication/production/reports/pdfs/giftedandtalfwrk.pdf "failure to advance a highly gifted student may result in poor study habits, apathy, lack of motivation and maladjustment." Make it abundantly clear that if they do not keep your child engaged academically, you will bear none of the responsibility for his behaviour when, not if but when, he becomes disruptive and destructive in class. Schools do so love their law and order. I can not let point 5 go without comment. Challenge this person! Challenge her to provide any support at all for what they have said. It is unsupportable - even the EQ policies say that psych tests should be believed before school work results. Raise these matters in any forum that you can find. Go to P&C meetings, write letters to the editor. Write to your local member. If all else fails, vote with your feet. Your child only has one shot at a decent education and if they don't see it as valuable then they will not engage.
26 Apr10:01
By Irina

Hi Pieper

Thanks for your response and sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this, I have had so much on. With another failing grade in maths last report this is all going to rear its ugly head yet again! I understand from my son they have been doing revision of last years work all first term,  and yet he has failed it.  

 I have requested an item be put on the agenda for  the next Parent Advisory Group meeting (PAG) so the senior school principal can  expIain how the Academic Achievers classes from years 8 & 9  transition into year 10 which is a mixed cohort. IF the AA classes have been given any extension, acceleration or anything above the  regular classes i don't know how they can now blend them all in together successfully for year 10 and keep the high abiltiy (if not high achieving) kids engaged.  I don't think the school has been providing accommodations for him either ( he has dual exceptionalities) so this will  have to be discussed again  in the upcoming parent teacher interviews. I was assured last year I wouldn't need to educate the teachers myself about his needs, that they would take care of it. I have made appointments with every single one of his teachers this time and will gauge how much they know abut his needs and dual exceptionalities. Then I will have a one- on- one meeting with either the senior or executive principal based on the outcomes.

I will copy the Framework and highlight the relevant text for any meetings. Can you help me locate the EQ policies that say psych tests should be believed above class  results? When they say your child is lazy or not bright or they have done all they can it makes it very hard to fight as I don't know what ammo to present next. (same experiences at previous schools)  I am one of 6 parents that I know of at this school and one has already voted with his feet but my son, and one other, will not move schools now they have established friendships. The difficulty seems to be proving that the school isn't doing what they should be.

regrds, Irina

21 May22:29
By Pieper

http://www.learningplace.com.au/deliver/content.asp?pid=14450

http://www.learningplace.com.au/deliver/content.asp?pid=14947

 

Hi Irina,

Life just keeps getting in the way of getting stuff done.  Try these 2 links, there should be more than enough information found in these documents to keep you busy for a while.  Good luck and keep us posted.